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My husband, who has CVS, and others use cannabis as a pallative for nausea and as a stress reliever.  The following links describe research that claims that cannabis is a trigger or even a cause of CVS. 

 

Personally, I believe these people have their causes and effects confused, but I figured it was worth posting.

 

The most recent (June 2005) article on Entrez PubMed (the National Library of Medicine website) is by a Dutch researcher and is titled "Cannabinoid hyperemesis with the unusual symptom of compulsive bathing."  His conclusion is that chronic cannabis use causes CVS.  Here's the link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16010960&query_hl=9

 

Here's a link to a Nov. 2004 article from Australia with similar conclusions:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15479672&query_hl=10

 

This Google search mostly recycles the other research:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=m6&q=+%22cannabinoid+hyperemesis%22&as_qdr=all&btnG=Search

 

As I said, I believe these researchers are using a faulty scientific method, but since the papers werre posted on an NIH website and as such could be read by doctors involved in CVS research/treatment, I decided to post this.

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I read the first article you posted...did these people do any research on CVS?  I have "chronic bathing," as they put it, and I don't smoke weed.  As a matter of fact, I think there are alot of "chronic bathers" on here who do not partake in the use of cannabis.  Just my thought.  ~Joely


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I did not read through the cited articles but I have read in the past about cases of CVS that have been triggered by use of marijuana.  The people did not previously have CVS, the condition itself seems to have occurred after using cannabis.

 

I have no idea what this means for those who present with CVS, have not been using the street drug and who try medicinal quality marijuana or marinol.


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The discussion of canabis as a cause for cvs came up at conference.  One doctor mentioned a patient of his that had been using and wondered if there was a connection.  I believe that if you had cvs and then tried canabis for relief it certainly was not the cause of cvs.  For many it brings relief of the nausea and for some brings back an appetite that is important on the road to recovery.  I also believe that everyone is different.  If you are sick or sicker after using cannabis then why use it.  If it brings relief then you should make your own choice. Using for medicinal purpose should be between yourself and your doctor if he/she is willing to work with you.  The federal and state gov't should but out. 

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Well stated myson!!!

Although I am not a user, I understand and see why others need to.

Pattie


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I have this personal belief that many adult/teen onset CVS is triggered by an environmental thing.  Whether it be extreme stress on the body/and or mind, excessive marijuana use, etc.  Basically, I believe that if you have a slight mito. dysfunction and then your mitochondrial is placed under a lot of stress, you can develop CVS.

It's hard to explain on the computer, but I just thought I would post this theory.

Britt


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Hi Britt,

 

I think there is a good chance you are absolutely right.  I'm sure there are the exceptions, but based on reading many of the posts, stressful events and changes in the teen/adult onsets seem to have occurred.  Example, surgeries, college, high energy/stress jobs, etc...  As far as the possible pot aggravated CVS, quitting is the only way one could know if it is indeed a trigger.  I truly believe the percentage of CVSers with pot as a trigger instead of a help is minuscule, but it is entirely possible for that 1% (or less). 

 

For the few who possibly have pot as a trigger, and they do get better after quitting, it will be interesting to see if it CVS comes back as time goes by, with other more common triggers...  Time will tell for them.  Anne


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I guess I consider the excessive marijuana use more as a trigger for CVS onset not so much a trigger of CVS cycles. I mean they very well could be triggering cycles, but I think in some cases the excessive use of marijuana can bring on CVS.  That does not an any way lessen the degree of CVS, or the reality of it...

Like I said, it is so difficult for me to express this theory over the computer, and I hope I haven't offended anyone.

Britt

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Didn't offend me. My kid certainly was not a user at the age of 5 when this showed up. If someone finds relief, good for them. I mean, I am now plugging.a supplement! of all things

 

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First let me say I do not wish to offend anyone with this post. This is purely from personal experience and opinion, hopefully I can offer something.

I smoke pot, I have since I was 17. I believe my CVS started from an accident at age 7, I was hit by a car. Looking back now from that point on it seems that my cycles were triggered by emotional stuff. Curiousity got me started smoking, I never thought of a possible relation to smoking pot and my CVS episodes. Until I got older and did experience episodes that were aborted after smoking, appetite returning after a cycle, smoking to relax and be able to sleep, etc.

I think that the only time a CVS cycle has been brought on by marijuana use was when I would run out and be "anxious" about being without and "OMG what if I get sick" sorta ideas running through my head.

Oct. 2001, I miscarried twin boys and after that my CVS and interest in smoking pot disappeared completely! After "being clean" for 2 years I took up the smoking again and the CVS began to return. I still smoke, I still get sick, but again it seems like an anxiety thing to me. Since I believe that my CVS is "emotionaly related" I'm looking for the signs and am doing alternate methods of dealing with the stress, anxiety, etc. I can say that whether I have had pot or not, I have had CVS episodes.

Hopefully you can use this info for what it's worth. Also I hope I have said nothing to offend anyone or "to get voted off the island."

Love to all, especially the little ones.

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Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the forum (I'll post an introduction later) but I read this thread and I just had to reply. It's kinda funny that I stumbled across this topic right when my brother had another "episode". Usually when he gets sick he knows why... he ate something he shouldn't have, he missed a dose of zofran, etc. But this time he couldn't think of what he'd done. I read the thread and told him about how there were doctors that believed smoking pot could trigger an episode... Turns out he hadn't been smoking lately (he usually does everyday) because he had a drug test for a job coming up. He thinks not smoking might have triggered this one, because that's the only thing he's done differently. And for anyone that thinks that it might cause it, all I can think of were the times when he was laying in bed, puking until there was nothing left, and then dry heaving some more, when he'd be crying his eyes out in pain begging me to find him some pot. It really does help him to relieve the pain and to settle his stomach.

Well, that's my 3 cents!

~Johanna

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I'm sorry but cvs is a serious condition/disease that a lot of people take real seriously because it completely screws up their lives, their friends lives, and their family's as well. Thats great and all that someone posted this, but i dont think any of us on here have cvs because we were too big of a pot head back in high school. I mean, really.... Most of us on here either came down with this when they were younger, or have children suffering from this illness. And you know what, I hate to break it to everyone, but if your child has cvs, theres a pretty good chance theyre going to smoke to relieve their nausea later in life.

Here's my story: I was born with cvs. Puked up all in my sleep since i was an infant. I used to cycle maybe once or twice a week, then it progressively got wrose into an every single morning occasion. I take my Zofran, I take my phenergan, I take my xanax... and I am miserable. I am in pain, I'm hungry but I'm so sick i can't eat. And then I'll just take a small hit. The pain diminishes, the nausea subsides, and I feel like I'm actually half-way alive. Opposed to feeling like your going to die, I have to say it's a pretty good feeling. I was not a pothead in high school. Nor did i start smoking before my cvs. I have gone weeks on end without smoking. Yes, I was miserable. But before I starting smoking, and i didnt even know what it was, I felt that way every morning anyway.

I dont think CVS, as actual, REAL CVS would be brought on by using cannabis. sorry. Yes, maybe there are those people out there who've turned into every-day smokers because they "cant eat unless theyre high" or they're "nauseous unless they smoke" but that is in their head. They've smoked their bodies retarded pretty much to the point they rely on cannabis to feel good. I think this shows more signs of a drug addiction than CVS. Most people on here have used cannabis only in positive ways to treat their symptoms. I'm sorry, but I'm completely offended because this disease has taken the biggest toll on my life, and because of it, i hate a lot of things in life. But when the only thing that brings hundreds of other people like myself relief is criticized, or more negative studies are posted, this isn't going to help our efforts in trying to legalize this substance medicinally. We need all the help and support we can get right now, and it doesnt seem like thats whats going on.
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I have to agree with you....my son is almost 9, and I KNOW he wasn't smoking at age 2!!!  I think that there may very well be some cases where stomach problems MAY be brought on later, I have been told that smoking is the #1 biggest irritator of the stomach lining...more than hot sauce even....but I can't see that it actually "causes" CVS.  I just refuse to believe that.  And I've read too that many people have relieved the intense nausea by smoking....so after what I've witnessed my son endure...more power to them!!!! 
I'd bail you out of jail AND testify on your behalf if need be !!! 


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i don't  know about pot But the nicatine in cigarettes causes my stomach to relax and calms the nausesa better than zofran and phenergan does.

Heave hooooooooo

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