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oleyeller_1013

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Daymon- you said it! -" once people come to understand that CBD has nothing to do with getting high, and everything to do with getting healed, it will radically change the perception about med mmj and cannabis in general. it is really exciting that by this time next year or the following, this will be a completely legal and legitimate option for most people on this board to try if they want

**Also for everyone reading this just to clear things up, after nearly feeling like close to dying in the hospital room multiple times from weeks and 8 years of cvs over 40 times, no I'm not a sales rep for any company, LOL!!!

One nice fellow asked me if I'm a rep for one of these companies. I told my wife, she laughed hard and said I dare them to call me to ask how my last 8 years taking care of me has been and the years she lost.  No one really understands how bad it is except the people who take care of you and yourself. If you read my thread in detail, I say to go to every company out there, not just Dixie or Hempvap. Go to Bluebird Botanicals or Cibdex or RSHO. A new company comes out every other month it seems. If you're still getting sick, you HAVE to break the spell or it won't fix itself and western meds make it and you feel worse in due time.

Good luck, live long and prosper!



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demoncleaner

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I thought you did a great job of impartially listing just about every current resource for legal hemp oil ole, you don't come off like a rep. you did a nice job of condensing it for folks and saving them the webwork.
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Getting my order off of amazon next Tuesday because they have the *** mg on hand of the Cibdex varieties. Sorry I said that to you oleyeller, I was sick at the time and it burns me I even said that. Stuff like that eats me up and I appreciate everything and all the help you have given me and I am so sorry. Wasn't to come off as an ass or anything just having a hard time with all this stuff lately. Thanks, buddy!!! I will let you know how it works out. I can't afford High dose RSHO. So how long you think the Cibdex will last me on average? And I hope I don't become some household joke now. Didn't know I was going to be blasted...
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No worries this is a board with so many sick people and we are all equal and know how bad it is with CVS. The only reason I come out here is to share my progress and give people real hope to chew on and live longer on this planet and not suffer and die from this disease. It can kill you with all the IVs, pain meds and weak bodies, this is no joke.

When I read Chantelle passed away on this board that really kind of freaked me out and I made DRASTIC changes around the same time. I bet the Dr's chalk it up as being weak from being sick or something else but who knows. I could see a Dr saying that about me one day " yeah he was just weak from all the episodes over the years and just passed away". This was my biggest fear.

I felt like I was near death multiple times, that's pretty messed up stuff. If I can do it mostly anyone can as bad as I had CVS. I realize some people may never get out of it and have it much worse but mine was pretty severe for 8 years.

I think my experience should not be overlooked by anyone. For any of you who might have questions about taking CBD, forget about it. Just at least try the stuff and give it time. It's seriously stopping seizures with kids who are having 150-200 a day down to none/minimal. That's crazy good news and real medical science!!

  It can be a serious pain to travel across states worrying about bringing legal tinctures across state lines and getting them confiscated.  It's very stressful, I tried it already when I went to CO and brought  back the legal Dixie drops through the airport. They don't know the difference between illegal hash oil and legal hemp oil so please be careful!!

I called the Stanley brothers who make Charlottes webb and you have to have a CO medical red card AND get on their waiting list for prescribed CBD meds, they are not recreational or a medical dispensary.  They are on a special program called ROC, Realm of caring which if you're living in CO, you would be foolish not to try to get on their progam. It's free to state residents, donate what you can. I called many dispensaries and the cbd stuff is very difficult to find right now b/c of demand for CBD and no one is growing CBD but a few in those states. It's a tough time for people who need CBD and don't live in a medical state. It's a total joke is what it is, needs to be equal for everyone but at least we have these legal hemp CBD outlets. It's the same compound taken from the plant.
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ya, I was noticing amazon was practically sold out of all CBD products as of yesterday. they have added the vape pen and another brand of CBD supplements since I last looked a couple months back, but almost every item I looked at was less than 5 or 10 left in stock.  

I would imagine charlottes has been released to other growers/seed banks at this point, and that would probably be the best option for procuring those genetics outside of CO, but requiring one to grow and produce their own oil. I havnt made up my mind on whether I am going to get ahold of charlottes or some of the newer 1:1 strains, I think im going to go with the 1:1 strains first, as I think THC content is also key to good mmj.  

for people in non med states, I think the pending approval of Sativex in the US, as well as new domestic production of hemp this year, and subsequent early CBD products derived from that hemp, will offer the best options for the next couple years in terms of legal CBD products. domestic hemp production bred specifically for CBD content should help drive the potency of legal CBD oils up to a better quality medicinally speaking, than what is currently available from foreign sourced industrial hemp strains. hemp grows, well, like a weed, so we should see the first meds from this domestic hemp by the end of the year.   

if you happen to live in Canada or England, Sativex is already available by RX. Sativex should fly soon in the US, the parent company is everywhere in the news, stock reports, etc. they are considered to be one of the biggest/ most legit early startups and have been working on this for years. their product is plant derived unlike marinol, so that is the current legal hurdle in the US where plant derived meds from cannabis are schedule 1 drugs and pharma derived meds are sched 3....lol. funny how that works. the same substance, THC, when produce by nature, is sched 1,devoid of any medical use, while if it is patented and synthesized by pharma, it is sched 3, with little potential for harm or abuse.  the caveat being the synthetic version does not work medicinally as plant based meds contain dozens of cannabinoids, not just THC or CBD.

I get my Med MMJ card in about 10 days, so my strain research will begin in earnest over the next few weeks. with any luck, I should have my first crop and batch of homemade high strength CBD oil by late summer.

continuing to kick ass on the diet, feeling great. glad you're still feeling well too ole.
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Preferred Botanicals in Wisconsin has been in touch. I looked at their web page, I know nothing about the various products but the prices are lower than many I have heard quoted or they seem lower. 
If the products are similar or the same, but cost less, this might be a cost effective source?




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demoncleaner

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so that's an etailer and they have been "in touch"? that's a good internet marketer is what that is.

that's just a standard quickwebstore, started by someone aware of the CBD boom. you can build an estore like that in a few hours.  prices at a glance appear identical to those listed on the respective manufacturers webbys.  while it might be another option if one was having trouble finding a product in stock elsewhere, I sincerely doubt it, as operations like that typically do not stock anything;  its a virtual store, that probably gets its fulfillment from amazon to begin with, that would explain the identical pricing structure.  amazon estore's have to use identical pricing. just my guess.

I would stick to either the manufacturers themselves or reputed services like amazon myself, if for nothing else, you are more likely to find it in stock at the aforementioned stores, than a 3rd party etailer.

if you just do a google for popular keywords like CBD oil, and click on the pages that come up, you will see dozens of other internet marketers running the same stores. pretty standard internet marketing, find a trend, build a quick authority blog or estore and profit.
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When we first went with the supplements, we struggled with the products. What was best, what were the differences.  We did the research and learned about the suppliers and talked with the researchers.  It should be no different for those who are promoting the hemp oil.

We found what was difference between natural CoQ10, the base of CoQ10, and various forms of Carnitine (3 forms).  Thus I can confidently suggest "Tischon CoQ10, call Epic4health and request a discount.  Healthy Origins also offers all natural CoQ10 and their CoQ10 does not contain Vitamin E (which had been a concern for those with a soy allergy).  Call Healthy Origins for a discount".  "Never use DCarnitine, LCarnitine is best.  (It goes deeper than this but I will not get into it, I think most people are now buying quality).

Another member and I ran a full one year anecdotal study on the supplements.  We ran this study off the message board and reported the results every there months to Dr. Boles.

Time consuming, yes.  Important, yes.  The other doctors felt we were crazy with LCarnitine and CoQ10 but these are now pretty much accepted in CVS treatment and Mito treatment. In fact it was because of this anecdotal study that Dr. Boles found that his patients were able to tolerate the important Vitamin B, after CoQ10 has been established.

Someone needs to take these new ideas to the next step.  The next step is a study.  It is not hard to run an anecdotal study.  It just takes dedication.  

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"When we first went with the supplements, we struggled with the products. What was best, what were the differences.  We did the research and learned about the suppliers and talked with the researchers.  It should be no different for those who are promoting the hemp oil." 

are you just talking out loud ginny? im not promoting anything but I will take a stab:

there is not a lot more to say than what has already been posted above about this first wave of legal CBD oils that are on the market. ole posted a ton of good info, as well as myself. there are only a handful of manufacturers and one big reseller, and other 3rd party startup sales sites that should probably be avoided, if for no other reason than stock issues.  I think its all been covered pretty well earlier in the post, as far as what is out there now, the quality of it,  and its all rapidly changing month to month. more information is allways good as well as more participants in the discussion.

as far as a study: that sounds like an awesome project for someone whos life hasn't been destroyed by CVS and has the time for such leisurly pursuits. like a research doctor or something.

 

 

 

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This is a request for anyone who is interested.

Postings and self reporting are different from setting up an anecdotal study.

I am not talking out loud.  Be polite, be respectful please.







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demoncleaner

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"Be polite, be respectful please."

what on earth are you talking about?

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demoncleaner

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anybody else catch dr Guptas' new CNN special this weekend, cannabis madness?

some really good stuff, he goes into a lot of the things I have raised in many of the cannabis threads here.  the gw pharma Sativex footage was awesome and it was really cool he talked to dr. mechoulam in Israel about the "entourage" effect involved with THC interaction, like I was posting about above. dr mechoulam is awesome. they talk a lot about how its impossible to do studies on the positive effects in this country.

really good presentation, I liked it a lot better than the first one. Dr gupta has been making a lot of this issue lately, saying he is going to push the topic and apologizing for the way he dismissed it before. its pretty cool, he will help enlighten a lot of people about the issue, in terms of that CNN demographic that really needs it. my moms was the one to call me and ask if I was watching it.

it airs again tomorrow, sunday the 15th on CNN.
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My fiancé has been diagnosed with CVS and after reading through these forums and various studies, I would have to agree. It's absolutely terrible when she has an episode and I have read over the empiric guidelines so hopefully that'll be of some use. After reading this thread, I've been contemplating trying her on some CBD oil but I have a few problems with this.

I want to preface these issues by saying that CBD is most definitely beneficial and I support all who use it.


Despite what these various retailers are saying, by the definition given under code 7360 for marihuana, CBD extracted from cannabis sativa should be illegal. These companies that are pushing legal hemp products, that are said to contain high concentrations of CBD but minimum amounts of THC, are claiming that they are allowed to do so because of the appellate court ruling in HIA v DEA 2004. Search google for "Federal Court Rejects DEA Ban on Hemp Food"

Excerpt: On February 6, 2004 the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a unanimous decision in favor of the HIA in which Judge Betty Fletcher wrote, "[T]hey (DEA) cannot regulate naturally-occurring THC not contained within or derived from marijuana-i.e. non-psychoactive hemp is not included in Schedule I. The DEA has no authority to regulate drugs that are not scheduled, and it has not followed procedures required to schedule a substance. The DEA's definition of 'THC' contravenes the unambiguously expressed intent of Congress in the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) and cannot be upheld".

Sure they can sell hemp products THC are low in THC but the legal system is funny and mentions nothing of extracts of CBD. The appeals court ruled against the DEA because the case was concerning THC in non-psychoactive hemp which is a separate entity from CBD extracted from or contained in non-psychoactive hemp. See the difference in the legal jargon? Again CBD is under code 7360 as I have already stated. By the very definition provided by the judge, many people have already found holes in the argument and do you think the government won't? Without explicit documentation from an official source that CBD is no longer illegal, it should still be treated as a Schedule I substance. Just because the DEA has not yet moved against those marketing the CBD "Hemp oil" doesn't mean they aren't contemplating it nor they aren't already investigating. Just because a cop chooses not to pul you over for speeding does not mean that you weren't speeding. It would be like arguing that ALD-52, an analogue of LSD, isn't illegal in the US because it's not explicitly defined as illegal in the CSA nor analogue act. It definitely is illegal when sold for human consumption though due to the fact that it's structurally similar.

The Drug Enforcement Administration's (DEA) Office of Congressional and Public Affairs had this to say in a Sep. 27, 2011 email to procon.org: "Cannabidiol is currently controlled in schedule I under the drug code for marijuana, 7360. The drug code 7372 for cannabidiol is used by DEA only for internal record-keeping purposes. DEA is currently working on a Final Rule to establish the drug code for marihuana extract as 7350.....Cannabidiol has always been a schedule I controlled substance listed under marijuana..."

Obviously CBD should not be illegal -- nor should cannabis -- but until someone officially proves otherwise there is no basis for concluding that it is legal at this point.


I would love to try to get some of this stuff for her but it just seems like too many red flags.

About how many drops do you get in a bottle? It says 80 servings at 15 drops per serving so is that really ~1200 drops or does using it 2 times a day really last 40 days?

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I wouldn't worry too much about red flags Kman.  While CBD's scheduling status may be somewhat nebulous atm, I fully doubt that anyone has ever been prosecuted by DEA for CBD possession and the likelihood of that happening only diminishes every day at this point.


"Despite what these various retailers are saying, by the definition given under code 7360 for marihuana, CBD extracted from cannabis sativa should be illegal"

That's why they are all using "ruderalis" strains.  its not techinically a sativa or an indica, although in all likelihood that logic is ultimately flawed. But most "hemp" has traditionally been ruderalis.   

4 non med mj states in the last couple months have passed CBD bills allowing for use among approved patients, and this is CBD derived from floral extracts.  This is not a fad, this is big news in the epilepsy communities in particular.  More states will soon follow. This is turn is forcing NIDA into having to approve studies for medical cannabis research as well as having to accommodate the growth of CBD rich strains at the fed pot farm at Umiss. Thing are changing very rapidly and CBD is now the main driving force, ahead of medical marijuana in many ways.

I also have just recently launched a website selling hemp oil, so I am pretty familiar with the issues, this is what I would say about some of the concerns you raised.

When you see major distributors like amazon.com selling CBD oil derived from hemp......I think you can pretty much not worry about any personal legal ramifications of buying the products. If DEA were going to pursue anyone over hemp based CBD products, it would be the manufacturers and distributors, not the people buying the products from legitimate retailers. synthetic cannabinoids that DO intoxicate present a similar dilemma, only there is no medicinal application there, and even in that case, retailers are not put in jail. and those products can kill people.

Currently, the largest manufacturer in the business, has launched a multilevel marketing program called Kannaway, its like the amway of Hemp oil. There are over 45,000 people involved in the kannaway program selling CBD Vape pens.  FORTYFIVE THOUSAND!!  lol.

Lets just say the DEA cant even keep up with THC prosecution at this point, if they are going to start chasing down hemp CBD sellers........probably not real high on the priority list. Pretty hard to justify prosecution of a substance that on all accounts heals, has no lethal dose or harmful side effects, and does not intoxicate. not much vice there. arresting sick people.

the current loophole is less then .03% THC. less than that and its Hemp based food product. Which is going to lead to a very interesting debate within a year or 2 as current cannabis being bred for high CBD low THC content is on the verge of breaking that barrier, which will then ask the question, is it now hemp based on that criteria of THC measurement as many of these new strains use ruderalis breeding with traditional cannabis strains.

I wouldn't worry about it in terms of buying some Kman, like I said, its on amazon and its regularly backordered, meaning they move a lot of it.  I get lots of traffic on my own site.   As much as it does not make any sense, CBD is CBD is CBD, the current loophole places CBD from hemp containing less than .03% thc into a food and supplement category in terms of FDA.  And the loophole appears to be fairly strong, as I know of at least 10 companies producing their own lines of hemp based CBD oils with another one popping up every other month.  I cant see DEA going after any of these companies, let alone their actual customers, as the product they produce is not an intoxicant and shows significant, proven anti seizure and anti cancer properties, among many others.

as far as info on how much goes for how long kind of thing, I cant help you there, I just got carded so I can start making my own CBD oil, so I have not personally used any of the hemp based products. I know that they are currently lower in potency though, compared to full on cannabis oils.  depending on the therapeutic requirement for the illness, cost effectiveness quickly becomes as much of an issue as actual efficacy in these early CBD products. RSHO is pretty high strength as far as legal options go, but it's pricetag is no joke right now. I think things will be much different in another 12 to 18 months, especially after the first domestic hemp crops come to bear this year.  There is no recommended dose though, so how long a supply will last you will depend on what dosage if any you find to be effective for any one illness divided by the potency of any one particular extract.
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While I agree with you that it is probably safe to buy on a consumer level, the idea that it's not illegal is still a huge gray area. You are correct that it comes from the ruderalis strain but you addressed something specific here "the current loophole is less then .03% THC. less than that and its Hemp based food product. Which is going to lead to a very interesting debate within a year or 2 as current cannabis being bred for high CBD low THC content is on the verge of breaking that barrier, which will then ask the question, is it now hemp based on that criteria of THC measurement as many of these new strains use ruderalis breeding with traditional cannabis strains." The precedent doesn't state .03% THC and derived from hemp based food product but really states DEA cannot prosecute "hemp based products." They cannot prove necessarily that x-CBD liquid or oil or extract wasn't made from a high CBD, low THC strain of sativa. Unfortunately there's no proof other than what the manufacturer says and can also show on paper.

Heck even the FDA in November said "authorities seized more than $2 million in dietary supplements from Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Inc. after it discovered the products contained a stimulant that has been associated with cardiovascular problems: DMAA." This substance had been banned yet this Georgia company continued to still use it in 11 different products. Just because they hadn't gotten into trouble before this seizure doesn't by any form of the imagination mean they weren't breaking the law.

Relative to amazon and ebay just to name a few, you can buy illegal "peyote" under an alternate name and you can buy illegal mimosa hostilis which contains DMT. Both are illegal to possess in the US of A and the DEA has moved on many of these companies. They have confiscated many products through customs and even shut down many of these vendors. Yes these vendors are still plentiful but that doesn't mean what they are doing is legal in the eyes of the DEA.

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